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learned was to love work. >> chris: she grew up on a farm in california, making enough from raising cattle to send herself to college. >> i'm really happiest when i am engaged and working and ♪ >> relegated to a group of people meeting in secret, plotting, some sort of scheme that they think is best for america. >> the fiscal cliff is not going to happen. so the ceiling, is not going to fall. >> chris: senators jeff session and congressman charlie rangel on prospects for avoiding the fiscal cliff and we're back with the panel. liz is charlie rangel right, the sky is not falling and the fiscal cliff will not happen. >> i don't want to say charlie rangel is right. look, i think the potential damage done by going off the fiscal cliff is so significant, that i would hope that even in the town that is divided right now, people will be able to come together to avoid it. what concerns me now, is that the whole terrain we're on is the argument about whether or not we should raise taxes, on the upper income earners, to get us through the end of the year, when the argument really ought to be, is t
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